Johnson was a defensive tackle on the National Championship teams
in 1970 and 1971 and went on to play and win in two Super Bowls for
the Oakland Raiders in 1977 and 1981. He is the only Husker with two
National Championships and Super Bowls. This interview was done on
June 18, 2004 by David Max.
Where are you from originally?
MJ I grew
up in Bloomington, MN, a suburb of Minneapolis.
DM Who recruited you to Nebraska?
Selmer. It's kind of an interesting story. Carl got a film from a
school called Robinsdale High School which was in the same conference
my school played. The reason why they did was because Dennis Claridge
had gone to Robinsdale. Every year the coach from Robinsdale would
send a game film to Carl. Somehow the name Robinsdale got scratched
off the can of film and the name on the film can was Lincoln. The
school that I went to was Lincoln High School in Bloomington. The
film sat on Carl's desk for a number of weeks and Cletus Fischer said
to Carl "What are you doing with that can of film from Lincoln
High School?" He said "I don't know which one your talking
about." and Cletus said "The one that's on your desk."
They had no idea what it was and so they turned it on and started
to watch it and they called Lincoln High School and said "whose
number 78?" The coach at Lincoln High School didn't know what
they were talking about so the film just sat there. A few more weeks
went by and the coach from Robinsdale called Carl and asked him if
he was going to send his film back to him because he wanted to send
it to some other schools. Carl said "What film are you talking
about?" The coach from Robinsdale said "The one that I sent
down to you where Robinsdale was playing Lincoln High." Carl
immediately said "whose number 78?" The coach from Robinsdale
said "I thought you might notice him." He told Carl who
it was and Carl contacted my coach, Rocky Elton, and the rest is history.
Carl contacted me and I got invited down for a trip and it was a very
positive experience. Coach Devaney came up and saw us. They brought
my mother down. It was a great opportunity and it was far enough away
that my parents couldn't come and get me and it was close enough that
if I had to go home I could.
DM Did you do any recruiting visits to any other schools?
MJ Oh, yeah. I went to a number of other major schools.
I got recruited by Notre Dame, the University of Washington, Iowa
State and Wisconsin. I made a half dozen or more visits to different
schools. Back then the recruiting rules were a lot more liberal and
you weren't limited to the number of visits. You could go to as many
as you wanted to. I was going somewhere about every weekend. It was
a lot of fun.
DM What separated Nebraska out from the rest of the
The coaches. A lot of the schools that I visited said things like
"You're going to be an All-American. You're going to start."
etc. which I thought was a lot of smoke and mirrors. Carl and Bob
basically said "Listen, we think you can contribute to our program.
Whether or not you do is up to you. The one thing that we can assure
you is that you will get an education. " They just seemed to
be very high moral integrity individuals and I really felt that they
were interested and cared.
DM Who was your position coach and what was he like?
MJ Monte Kiffin. Crazy would be a pretty good description.
Nah, crazy is not right. He was a very enthusiastic, highly motivated
very, very capable coach. He did a great job with us. We were always
very well prepared mentally and physically. We were always in better
shape. He was a real good coach.
DM What was the strength and conditioning like then?
Was Boyd Epley there then?
with myself and John Dutton, we probably made Boyd Epley the success
that he was. We were the first guys that really started the weight
program. There was a guy there that was a couple of years older than
we were named Dave Wallin and Dave was a real weight trainer and big
into the weights as well. After our freshman year we went into the
weight room because they thought it would be beneficial for us to
bulk up with a little bit. John Dutton and I were roommates as freshmen.
Boyd had just started coming over to get involved with the weight
program. One thing led to another and by the time I was a senior Boyd
was on the staff as a part of the conditioning program. Boyd was a
track athlete. I think he was a pole vaulter and got injured and couldn't
continue pole vaulting. Al Davis hired him to train me after I got
drafted by the Raiders.
DM Is there a particular regular season game that
sticks out in your memory?
MJ We were
so good back then and we didn't have much competition. My junior year
we were playing Kansas down in Kansas. It was the first time that
season that we were losing at half time. If I remember correctly we
were losing 20-0 at half time and getting beat. We came into the locker
room at half time and Bob gave one of those motivational encouragement
types of talk and basically said that we were a better ball club than
this and the potential that you have in front of you, etc., etc. We
ended up making the appropriate number of adjustments during half
time and the game ended up being 40-20.
The other game that obviously sticks out would be
the game of the century when we played Oklahoma in '71. My major contribution
in that game would have been on special teams. One game that stands
out that was a defeat was my senior year against Oklahoma. Personally,
I played a really good game but it was still a loss. The one thing
that I remember most about that game was that our fans applauded the
Oklahoma team. They weren't booing or being critical. They literally
were some of the greatest fans in the world.
The three years
that I played we always played Minnesota and there was the opportunity
of playing against guys that I played against in high school. Those
are good memories.
DM Do you have any game or "in the huddle"
stories that you remember?
MJ I remember
kind of a funny thing that happened my junior year against Hawaii
in Hawaii. We were beating them pretty bad and there was a fumble
and I recovered the ball. There was one of the Hawaii players next
to me and they were trying to pull away in the pile and so forth and
the referee was yelling "It's our ball! It's our ball!"
and pointing in the direction of Hawaii and gave them the ball. It
was kind of funny to hear the referee yelling "It's our ball!
It's our ball!" I stood up and ask him "Tell me how you
were being independent?"
Another funny story happened in the Army game my senior
year. We won 77-7 and this was toward the end of the game. I was rushing
the passer and hit him as he was letting the ball go and I looked
and saw the ball bounce and end up in the hands of the receiver and
the referees called it a catch. I turned to the referee and said "Does
one bounce count the same as in the air here at Army?" He looked
at me and smiled and walked away 'cause at that particular point in
time we were defeating them so badly it didn't matter. I was tempted
to ask him if he was an Army grad.
DM Do you have a favorite Bob Devaney story?
MJ I remember
my freshman year Bob came down and talked to the freshmen. Back then
we had freshmen teams. Jim Ross was our coach. We practiced and scrimmaged
all by ourselves. We never played against the varsity. He came down
one day toward the first part of the season and he was talking about
reading newspaper clipping and if you had a tendency to read all of
those you might think you were better than you were. The story that
he told was that when you're in the woods and you've got to do your
business you know what newspaper clippings are good for don't you?
Of course we all laughed and understood what he was talking about.
DM Do you have a favorite Tom Osborne story?
on defense nothing comes to mind from when I was playing. I got to
know Tom a lot better when I was playing in the pros and lived in
Lincoln during the off season. I would go see Tom whenever we would
travel back to Lincoln and we would visit. He was always very gracious
and very kind and we would talk and he always wanted to know how I
was doing and that he appreciated how I was not only representing
myself but also the University with my play in pro ball. He is just
a great man besides being a great coach.
DM What was your best bowl game memory?
MJ I remember
when we were playing Alabama in the Orange Bowl I think it was the
first or second punt return and they punted the ball to Johnny. Johnny
ran it back for a touchdown down the Alabama sideline right in front
of the coach Bear Bryant. I remember seeing him as I was running along
trying to make a block to continue to let Johnny run and make the
touchdown and seeing Bear Bryant shaking his head. You couldn't tell
what he was saying but you could certainly tell that he was not positive
about what was happening and that he knew it was going to be a long
I think about
the play in which the fumble took place with Bobby and Bill and Larry
Jacobson. That was a huge play. Another play that sticks out was,
I think it was also during the Alabama game when Willie Harper took
the ball away from the Alabama player in mid air.
was it like going from Lincoln to playing for the Raiders?
Oh, man! It was like the boy who had never left the farm and
went to the big city. It was a BIG change. We were so used to
the discipline and following the leadership of the coaches.
It was a "Yes, sir." and "No, sir." and
"Where, sir" kind of a response. Then all of a sudden
you're hearing players yelling at coaches and screaming at the
owner and calling them names. Especially the Raiders. It was
a rag tag crew. They were the misfits of the NFL. It was amazing.
John Madden did such a great job of allowing individuals to
take their personal issues that would have not been understood
or even tolerated by other teams and let them goof around from
Monday through Saturday but as long as they showed up an performed
on Sunday that was what he was interested in. In fact, he made
that comment. "I'm interested in what you do Monday through
Saturday but I care greatly what you do on Sunday."
DM You and Dave Humm played at Nebraska and with the
Raiders. What are your memories of Dave?
MJ I thought
Dave was a very talented quarterback. He was a sophomore my senior
year. I really felt he was very, very talented. It became obvious
at the pro level that his weakness was his strength. He hung in there.
He was very intelligent. I think that's what really helped him and
why he hung on so long with the Raiders was his intelligence. What
he lacked in physical he made up with his ability to read defenses.
DM What was it like playing for John Madden?
MJ It was a great experience. John was very much of
a players coach. I'll tell you a story. After we beat Minnesota in
the Super Bowl in 1977 I went back home to Nebraska. I lived in Lincoln
during the off season and this was the following March. It was early
in the morning and the phone rang and it was John. This had to be
about six o'clock in the morning out in California and the first thing
that came to my mind was that I was traded. I said "John, what
in the world are you doing?" He said "Well, I'm just sitting
here watching the Super Bowl over again and I just wanted to call
you and tell you how much I recognize what was your major contribution
in that game. In fact, there was a play that I think was the turning
point of the game. Can you remember what that play might be?"
There was a play that stuck out in my head. It was just after half
and it was a running play and they had pulled their guard and I shot
the gap and tackled the running back for a loss which put them into
a passing situation. The next play we intercepted the ball. I said
"John, I'm thinking about that play." He said "That's
the play that I was thinking about. That was a great read and a great
play. I think it was the turning point of the game and just want to
tell you I really appreciate it."
DM Other than that play what was your favorite Super
MJ In the
same Super Bowl against Minnesota in the first quarter they kicked
off to us and held us. We were three downs and out and were going
to punt the ball. Ray Guy was in punt formation and Minnesota blocked
the punt. Ray Guy recovered it but he was tackled on about the 2 1/2
yard line. Our first series on downs on defense was against our goal
line. In preparation for the games one of the things that the coaches
let me do is contribute to the game plan as the middle linebacker
and the one who calls all the defensive plays in the huddle. In preparation
for that game I had discovered what I thought was a tendency that
Minnesota had not only in a goal line but in short yardage situations.
They cheated their backs and when they lined up in a certain way they
ran that direction and when they cheated them a different way they
ran them the other way. We sat down and looked at a number of reels
of film and the coaches said "Yeah, I think you're right."
What I asked them to let me do was let me call the goal line and short
yardage defenses from the line of scrimmage and they agreed. Basically
the defense was check with me on the ball. Tarkenton comes out and
was calling out the signals and I read the back field and slanted
our line in the direction that they were going to be running the ball.
The first play we hit them in the back field and they lost a yard.
So now it's second and 3 1/2 for the touchdown. They came out again
and I read it and slanted the line the other way. They blew the blocking
scheme by the way we were slanting because they thought we were going
to be in a different defense because in the past we had always done
something different in that particular formation. They lined themselves
and we slanted in a way which normally we would have not done. Phil
Villapiano came free and he hit the running back and Tarkenton at
the same time and caused a fumble which Willie Hall recovered on the
2 yard line. Our offense came on the field and drove 98 yards for
the first touchdown and Minnesota never got back into the game. Reading
those plays and making those calls and the confidence that the coaches
had in me was one of the biggest memories about that game.
DM Do you still stay in touch with Nebraska teammates
that you played with?
I do. Jeff Kinney is who I have maintained the strongest and closest
relationship over the years. I've been back for some of the various
events and see people and the friendships just pick up right where
they left off. One of the guys that played in the 60's and is probably
one of my closest friends is a former Husker named Dave Sundberg.
His son Craig was one of the quarterbacks in the 80's.
DM Is there anything else about your playing days
about Nebraska that you would like to comment about?
told people that if you stick me the the front I bleed red and if
you stick me in the back I bleed black. Because of the wonderful opportunity
that the University gave to me I will be eternally grateful for the
privilege of representing them. It was a wonderful experience. We
were 32-2-2 the three years that I played. Two National Championships,
three Big 8 Championships and three consecutive Orange Bowls. It was
a wonderful experience. I got a chance to get exposed and get drafted
by the Raiders and play eight years in the NFL and two Super Bowl
Championship teams. I'm a very blessed person and very, very fortunate.
God has been really good to me. I'm sitting here looking at my helmet
when I played and an autographed football of my teammates. Just great,
great, great memories.
DM How would you compare playing in the Super Bowl
vs. playing in a National Championship game?
MJ The Super Bowl is a litte bigger. (Laughs) I would
say that for me the game of the century against Oklahoma was much
bigger than the National Championship games. We were pretty darn confident
that we were going to win those games. The Super Bowl in the Rose
Bowl with 106,000 people against Minnesota and millions of people
around the world and for three hours they're watching you as 1 of
22 players having to make the plays was just a great experience.
DM What are you doing now?
MJ I have
my own business. I am a financial advisor to high net worth families
with multiple generations and help them coordinate their financial
affairs. I've been doing that since I retired from football.
DM Monte, thanks for sharing your Husker memories
This series of
interviews is being done in conjunction with the Bob
Terrio Classic on July 15th. Monte Johnson can be reached at this